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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 20, 2011 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 12-05-71

Nice work!

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Poster: gratefuldiver Date: Aug 20, 2011 8:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 12-05-71

Thanks, Cliff. Nice to receive a compliment from one of the most respected forum members. This is a tough crowd to break into...especially for one who posts once or twice a month like me.

For the record, every 1971 Keith show you listed made my 5 out of 5 star list. I admit the Oct show I listed is inconsistent but the good parts are sublime. And 12.15.71 I consider to be one of Keith's greatest performances of that era.

...__[8]o

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Poster: N Hoey Date: Aug 22, 2011 12:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 12-05-71

Going by calender years to track artistic evolution seems overly simplistic and not very accurate. Lots of transition going on over the course of '71 and other than the commonality of the date on show listings, there's not all that much tying the year together. The relationship with Mickey's Dad ends, Mickey leaves, Pig starts really getting ill and starts staying home sometimes. The Fillmore era ends halfway through the year. Record sales and their career really take off. Jerry puts down Gibsons forever for a Strat. Keith joins. Jerry bows out of the New Riders and pedal steel playing. Solo projects begin. The years ends with things being very very different from the beginning.

While on one hand I get the appeal of the jazzy, noodly style of '73-'74, I think it is also very obvious that they are drifting apart as a cohesive unit through that time. The sounds of the instruments don't blend as well, each guy pursuing his own custom guitar path and sound in a more self indulgent way. The Wall of Sound may have been great in person but it's lousy on tape. Those noise canceling vocal mics are fucking awful sounding, and there's nearly no sense of coherence to the instruments, each one sounds isolated from the others and the effect is of sterility. The coherence of the band's sound is far more appealing and natural on tape from '69 to '72. I have a real hard time enjoying listening to '73-'74, not so much because of the playing, but because the recordings are so discombobulated sounding.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 22, 2011 2:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 12-05-71

There's always the audience tapes. I've noticed the band always sounds more unified & forceful on AUDs than on the widely-separated, "sterile" SBD tapes; the difference is often striking. There are numerous good Wall of Sound AUDs as well.
I'm not sure whether it's just the non-blended instrument sound you dislike, or whether you're hearing the band's playing becoming less cohesive in '73-74 as well...

The Dead changed so much from year to year for at least their first 15 years, using calendar years to track their evolution has always been very easy & convenient. Many of their changes, in fact, coincide with the year breaks, making it a very accurate way to track the band as well (one year doesn't sound much like another). But there are some years, like '71, where they change so abruptly there's a 'split' in the middle of the year; and there are also playing patterns that extend over multiple years, of course.
I suppose there are other ways - "the Gibson era," "the Fillmore era," "the LSD era," "the NRPS era," "the Pigpen era," or whatever - but marking the Dead's changes by years still seems best to me.